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https://twitter.com/naomiyamamoto/st...78093534044164
https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2016TRAN0011-000096

"$10 million in one-time funding to help bolster training, administrative support and equipment renewals... This funding will help meet the 80 ground search and rescue team’s immediate needs while EMBC continues to work together with BC Search and Rescue Association on a long-term solution."
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Excellent news. It's great to see the province providing this significant sign of respect to the volunteers who give so much of themselves to help save others.

It's great to see an infusion of cash to help in the short term and it's great that this is not being promoted as the long term solution to the operational funding challenges.
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Any scuttlebutt on how evenly it is to be distributed? By population density? Call volume?

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It's disappointing that the government is getting kudos for this, and it's disappointing that the most well-funded team in the province provided the photo op for the BC Liberals.

The Liberals have been in power in BC for 15 years, and they've devastated so many services with lack of adequate funding. They further eschew responsibility here with this silly one time payment. What does this really mean? It means the Liberals are not interested in a implementing a stable, long-term funding model before the election next year. This is their band-aid solution, and it's shit.

It's unfortunate that BCSARA isn't in a position to refuse this money while demanding real funding. It's too bad that so many neo-liberal morons are applauding this scam. This is why the BC Liberals are probably going to get elected again this year, too many people focusing on the small picture.
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It's disappointing that the government is getting kudos for this, and it's disappointing that the most well-funded team in the province provided the photo op for the BC Liberals.

The Liberals have been in power in BC for 15 years, and they've devastated so many services with lack of adequate funding. They further eschew responsibility here with this silly one time payment. What does this really mean? It means the Liberals are not interested in a implementing a stable, long-term funding model before the election next year. This is their band-aid solution, and it's shit.

It's unfortunate that BCSARA isn't in a position to refuse this money while demanding real funding. It's too bad that so many neo-liberal morons are applauding this scam. This is why the BC Liberals are probably going to get elected again this year, too many people focusing on the small picture.
I did like how it was made clear in the government press release that this is not the long-term solution.

“The service that search and rescue groups provide in their communities is recognized as an invaluable asset to the people of this province and today we welcome the additional support of the B.C. government to help strengthen the work that's being done,” said president of BC Search and Rescue Association Chris Kelly. “While we continue to work with the province on the proposed alternate support model for search and rescue, this money will help relieve some of the funding pressures and provide for increased training and other tools for those who tirelessly serve as volunteers.”

Given that BCSARA was not able to actually submit the proposal for an alternative funding model to the BC Government until this month, it would have been unreasonable for the BC Government to have worked through the details of a long-term solution before the 2016 budget.

This $10m is a great band-aid and now the pressure is on to find the long term solution before the election next year.
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This is awesome, this infusion of funds should go a long way in bolstering the abilities of our SAR teams.

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... it's disappointing that the most well-funded team in the province provided the photo op for the BC Liberals.


I guess you missed the *Premier's* photo-op with Coquitlam SAR today for the latest funding announcement?
http://globalnews.ca/news/2484038/b-...nment-funding/

For the record, I don't necessarily disagree with anything else you said.

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I guess you missed the *Premier's* photo-op with Coquitlam SAR today for the latest funding announcement?
http://globalnews.ca/news/2484038/b-...nment-funding/

For the record, I don't necessarily disagree with anything else you said.

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Yeah, I did miss that and again, I think it's a shame that the BC Liberals were able to purchase a photo op using taxpayer money.

Civil or public servants, union members, anyone with a social conscience really, need to take a long hard look at how poorly this government has handled funding for these types of services, and refuse to participate in gimmicky spending in the lead-up to an election. Sure, take the money, because it's taxpayer money and that's what it's for, but refuse to stand for a photo op.
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It's a lot better than nothing, but the cynic in me wonders just how much the annual cost would be for a non-volunteer SAR? And would it save lives as often? It seems absurd that the province isn't eagerly fully funding everything needed given how necessary and effective the current SAR system is. Such a political nightmare to handle. Currently, anytime an adventure turns out really wrong it's seen as the brave selfless volunteers who tried and failed to save the kids, if it were an official government agency it would be seen as either the overpaid lazy unions messing up or the desperately underfunded demoralised wretches asked to perform miracles with no tools. (sometimes both simultaneously on different channels!) Any funding given to SAR now is a pure positive from a political perspective, with no downside unless funds were found to be "diverted"'

And who's surprised that our beloved leader is taking advantage of a photo op? It's her most important function, her only one really. Get elected. Also continue obeying her backers of course, but that's a given.
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It's a lot better than nothing, but the cynic in me wonders just how much the annual cost would be for a non-volunteer SAR? And would it save lives as often? It seems absurd that the province isn't eagerly fully funding everything needed given how necessary and effective the current SAR system is. Such a political nightmare to handle. Currently, anytime an adventure turns out really wrong it's seen as the brave selfless volunteers who tried and failed to save the kids, if it were an official government agency it would be seen as either the overpaid lazy unions messing up or the desperately underfunded demoralised wretches asked to perform miracles with no tools. (sometimes both simultaneously on different channels!) Any funding given to SAR now is a pure positive from a political perspective, with no downside unless funds were found to be "diverted"'

And who's surprised that our beloved leader is taking advantage of a photo op? It's her most important function, her only one really. Get elected. Also continue obeying her backers of course, but that's a given.
I've often wondered why BC Parks staff don't have a wilderness SAR role like Alberta and National Parks staff do.

Not that they could take on the entire province (considering there's 2500 SAR volunteers there to do that) but it would be nice to have some kind of backup for the hairier tasks - right now it escalates from volunteers to Canadian Forces with no in-between. If we had a properly funded BC Parks service with rescue training and a few light helicopters it would be very cost effective considering they are being paid anyway to manage the parks.

In Ontario and Quebec they have a group of police officers (OPP and QPP respectvely) who manage SAR for the province and make very light use of volunteers. Of course they both have vanishingly small call volumes in comparison to BC. The officers don't just do SAR but are like how the RCMP ERT works - they respond from their regular duties when required.

I guess my point is that there is a model where there are professionally trained and paid responders who have other duties and there are examples of them working successfully. I think that BC would still require volunteers as there are just too many calls but a professional service could back fill technical skills and leadership.

This is of course highly unlikely in BC under this leadership.

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