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Grizzlies in the Cascades
Anyone ever seen any grizzlies in the cascade mountains? One of my teachers said he saw one near the toll booth but I'm wondering how often it happens. I've always wondered if there around because in Manning, Cascade and Skagit there's so much land....Just wondering....Thanx
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Scaling New Heights
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Kodiak....I just read in your skyline trail story (i think it was yours) that 3 grizzlies were relocated to this area.....I was just wondering where this info was aquired. I'd lie to find out more about it. I heard that a recovery effort was being planned for manning called the North Cascades grizzly recovery program because a group held a town meeting when I was visiting in Merritt....that was the last I heard of it though.
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I have been going into the Cascade Rec. Area for 12 years and have never seen a grizzly in this area. The government has a grizzly bear recovery plan in this area but to my knowledge no bears have been released yet. We are on a stewardship program with BC Parks and since we work in the said area, they would have let us know if they released the bears. In fact we are leaving this Saturday for two weeks in Paradise Valley, just north of Punch Bowl Lake on the Dewdney Trail. There has been sighting of grizzlies in the Cascade Rec. Area but they are and have been very scarce. Black bears, that's a different story, for there are plenty but have only seen them around
5 times in 12 years. We were informed that all popular trails in the said area would be posted when they do, if they do, release the grizzlies into the area and it will also be a number one news item when it happens. Personally, relocating grizzly bears, in my thinking, does not allways work. Have you heard about the grizzly they called "Winston" a few years ago? A problem bear up in Pemberton, so they relocated him to the Cathedral Parks area only to find him back in Pemberton two years later.
For more info on the subject of the North Cascade Grizzly Bear Recovery Program you can check out: http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wld/grzz/index.htm
5 times in 12 years. We were informed that all popular trails in the said area would be posted when they do, if they do, release the grizzlies into the area and it will also be a number one news item when it happens. Personally, relocating grizzly bears, in my thinking, does not allways work. Have you heard about the grizzly they called "Winston" a few years ago? A problem bear up in Pemberton, so they relocated him to the Cathedral Parks area only to find him back in Pemberton two years later.
For more info on the subject of the North Cascade Grizzly Bear Recovery Program you can check out: http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wld/grzz/index.htm
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There have been griz seen in the Merritt area, my family and I saw one when I was a kid. So I guess it's not inconcievable that they may be found further south. The only bears I have seen in the North Cascades are blacks though.
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High on the Mountain Top
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In fact we are leaving this Saturday for two weeks in Paradise Valley, just north of Punch Bowl Lake on the Dewdney Trail.
In fact we are leaving this Saturday for two weeks in Paradise Valley, just north of Punch Bowl Lake on the Dewdney Trail.
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A Archaeologist I met on the Skyline II trail told me 3 Grizzlies were relocated from Pemberton last year, but since then I camped at Ross Lake last weekend and was told by a girl who's work is funded by the Skagit Endowment Commission Fund that that the grizzlies relocation has not yet happened.......so you are right.
This Archaeologist says he knows for a fact that there are several mating pairs that travel in and around the North Cascades and into the southern boundary of Manning and the Skagit around Galene Lake, as he has worked exclusively in that area the last few years.
He is the person who actually gave BC Parks the Indian history that you see quoted on their pamphlets.
This Archaeologist says he knows for a fact that there are several mating pairs that travel in and around the North Cascades and into the southern boundary of Manning and the Skagit around Galene Lake, as he has worked exclusively in that area the last few years.
He is the person who actually gave BC Parks the Indian history that you see quoted on their pamphlets.
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You say you fed the mosquitos in mid July? well you didn't do a very good job, for when we went in there July 25 to 28, they were still very hungry. We packed in 20 bales of hay and supplies for our two week stay, which we will be leaving tomorrow morning. We are on the Cascade Rec. Area Stewardship Program with BC Parks. We get the use of the cabin at Tulameen Camp for looking after the area. Cleaning the four outhouses, repair the corrals at Hubbard, Tulameen & Warburton camps, minor bridge repair, opening & keeping the Dewdney Trail open, remove and pack out any garbage, radio into Parks each day. In other words, we are the eyes & ears for Parks. Have been talking to Parks this week and they want some new signs put up for better trail directions and the outhouses painted so will be going out to meet them and pack the paint & other gear back in. Anyone passing by in the next two weeks, your welcome to stop in and stay if you need a place for the night, might even be a cold beer for you.
You say you fed the mosquitos in mid July? well you didn't do a very good job, for when we went in there July 25 to 28, they were still very hungry. We packed in 20 bales of hay and supplies for our two week stay, which we will be leaving tomorrow morning. We are on the Cascade Rec. Area Stewardship Program with BC Parks. We get the use of the cabin at Tulameen Camp for looking after the area. Cleaning the four outhouses, repair the corrals at Hubbard, Tulameen & Warburton camps, minor bridge repair, opening & keeping the Dewdney Trail open, remove and pack out any garbage, radio into Parks each day. In other words, we are the eyes & ears for Parks. Have been talking to Parks this week and they want some new signs put up for better trail directions and the outhouses painted so will be going out to meet them and pack the paint & other gear back in. Anyone passing by in the next two weeks, your welcome to stop in and stay if you need a place for the night, might even be a cold beer for you.
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Thanks for the offer. A cold beer would have been really nice when we went through. Is the Tulameen "cabin" that big new log house? Not too shabby for the back country.
We've only been in Pardise Valley on our way through and stayed at Snass View camp each time. Would like to spend an extra day and check out Warburton. Is it worth a visit?
We've only been in Pardise Valley on our way through and stayed at Snass View camp each time. Would like to spend an extra day and check out Warburton. Is it worth a visit?
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Yes, the big log cabin at Tulameen Camp is known as the Cascade Hilton. If you are heading past it, down about 50 yds towards the meadow, there is an ice cold natural spring for drinking water. It will keep the pop or beer just as cold as the propane fridge in the cabin. The cabin is used by us & Parks from July to Oct. and is locked up during that time. It is open for the rest of thr year and can be use by anyone if left in the same condition as found.
There has been some new signs installed and to do the Warburton Loop would only add about 45 minutes to an hour to your trip down to the cascade parking lot. The cabin at Warburton is by no means like the cabin at Tulameen but is better than nothing. For drinking water at Warburton, continue past the cabin for a couple hundred yards to a small creek crossing the trail. If you continue on this trail it will turn into an X logging road (Whitecloud Lakes Rd, which has been deactivated for vehicle use) and comes out at 52kms on the Tulameen Forest Service Road. Jacobson Lake is at 46 kms on the Tulameen Forestry Rd.
When we were up there last week we met Chuck Chesnut, one of the two people who built the Warburton Cabin many years ago, a very interesting person. As for being worth to visit, that depends on the person and what they are looking for. Just an old log (verticle logs) cabin, one large corral, fire pit, table and outhouse. On the trail back down to the Dewdney trail, just before you join the Dewdney, there is the remains of an old line shack that the Evens family used back in the 1950's to run cattle from in this area.
A lot of history on these trails in this area. The Dewdney Trail that you hike was originaly a first nation trade trail. In 1846 A.C Anderson of the Hudson Bay Company hired a couple of Indian guides to find a different route to Hope from nowdays Kamloops. One of the guides name was Blackeyes, thus the Blackeyes Trail from Wells Lk down to the Dewdney. In 1858, De Lacy was hired to build a trail from nowdays Bellingham, Washington to the gold rush route, by passing Hope so the American miners didn't have to pay the head tax entering Canada, thus you have the Whatcom Trail (Skagit River Trail) only De lacy went up the steep route through Punch Bowl Lake. (Don't ask me where the name of Punch Bowl came from but it is mentioned in 1846 in Andersons dairy.) Edgar Dewdney came along in 1860 to build the Dewdney Trail but he chose the first nation trail to get to the top af the pass at Snass View. Just past Snass View and past the junction to Warburton, he crossed to the east side of the Tulameen River and then crossed Grant Creek. The old trail he built is still there as we cleared it out to the Tulameen Cabin but from across from the cabin to the trail that you hiked is not worth opening. Major huge blowdowns and many boggy and soft areas. This trail comes out about a 30 minute hike from the Tulameen River crossing towards Holding & Hubbard Cks. This trail was only used for a couple of years because it was built on the north west side of the hills that come off from Snass Mnt. and was still covered in snow when the first nations trail/ Whatcom was already open. Although it is marked as the Dewdney trail it is really the Whatcom Trail from Snass View to about a half hr hike past the Tulameen River crossing, if your heading towards Hubbard or Paddys Pond.
Sorry if I got carried away but I like this area and is you or anyone else likes winter skiing or snowshoeing there is a person that I know who has a winter use permit for this area and is looking for clients.
He will take you into the Warburton Cabin area on snowmobile and will set up a camp somewhere in the area but like all commercial operations there will be a $$$$ exchange. If anyone is interested contact me at mule@direct.ca and I will give you his phone number & E-mail address.
Yes, the big log cabin at Tulameen Camp is known as the Cascade Hilton. If you are heading past it, down about 50 yds towards the meadow, there is an ice cold natural spring for drinking water. It will keep the pop or beer just as cold as the propane fridge in the cabin. The cabin is used by us & Parks from July to Oct. and is locked up during that time. It is open for the rest of thr year and can be use by anyone if left in the same condition as found.
There has been some new signs installed and to do the Warburton Loop would only add about 45 minutes to an hour to your trip down to the cascade parking lot. The cabin at Warburton is by no means like the cabin at Tulameen but is better than nothing. For drinking water at Warburton, continue past the cabin for a couple hundred yards to a small creek crossing the trail. If you continue on this trail it will turn into an X logging road (Whitecloud Lakes Rd, which has been deactivated for vehicle use) and comes out at 52kms on the Tulameen Forest Service Road. Jacobson Lake is at 46 kms on the Tulameen Forestry Rd.
When we were up there last week we met Chuck Chesnut, one of the two people who built the Warburton Cabin many years ago, a very interesting person. As for being worth to visit, that depends on the person and what they are looking for. Just an old log (verticle logs) cabin, one large corral, fire pit, table and outhouse. On the trail back down to the Dewdney trail, just before you join the Dewdney, there is the remains of an old line shack that the Evens family used back in the 1950's to run cattle from in this area.
A lot of history on these trails in this area. The Dewdney Trail that you hike was originaly a first nation trade trail. In 1846 A.C Anderson of the Hudson Bay Company hired a couple of Indian guides to find a different route to Hope from nowdays Kamloops. One of the guides name was Blackeyes, thus the Blackeyes Trail from Wells Lk down to the Dewdney. In 1858, De Lacy was hired to build a trail from nowdays Bellingham, Washington to the gold rush route, by passing Hope so the American miners didn't have to pay the head tax entering Canada, thus you have the Whatcom Trail (Skagit River Trail) only De lacy went up the steep route through Punch Bowl Lake. (Don't ask me where the name of Punch Bowl came from but it is mentioned in 1846 in Andersons dairy.) Edgar Dewdney came along in 1860 to build the Dewdney Trail but he chose the first nation trail to get to the top af the pass at Snass View. Just past Snass View and past the junction to Warburton, he crossed to the east side of the Tulameen River and then crossed Grant Creek. The old trail he built is still there as we cleared it out to the Tulameen Cabin but from across from the cabin to the trail that you hiked is not worth opening. Major huge blowdowns and many boggy and soft areas. This trail comes out about a 30 minute hike from the Tulameen River crossing towards Holding & Hubbard Cks. This trail was only used for a couple of years because it was built on the north west side of the hills that come off from Snass Mnt. and was still covered in snow when the first nations trail/ Whatcom was already open. Although it is marked as the Dewdney trail it is really the Whatcom Trail from Snass View to about a half hr hike past the Tulameen River crossing, if your heading towards Hubbard or Paddys Pond.
Sorry if I got carried away but I like this area and is you or anyone else likes winter skiing or snowshoeing there is a person that I know who has a winter use permit for this area and is looking for clients.
He will take you into the Warburton Cabin area on snowmobile and will set up a camp somewhere in the area but like all commercial operations there will be a $$$$ exchange. If anyone is interested contact me at mule@direct.ca and I will give you his phone number & E-mail address.
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Forgot to say thanks for the pack critter pic. in my last long post.
Forgot to say thanks for the pack critter pic. in my last long post.
High on the Mountain Top
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Thanks for the bit of history. That's what makes hiking those routes so interesting.
The idea of a winter trip is appealing. But I don't know if we can get one organized this year.
When I was surfing for info on the Dewdney trail hike I found this story on Bill Robinson's cabin and it also mentions Anderson naming the Punch Bowl
http://www.michaelkluckner.com/bciw2hopeprinceton.html
Happy trails.
The idea of a winter trip is appealing. But I don't know if we can get one organized this year.
When I was surfing for info on the Dewdney trail hike I found this story on Bill Robinson's cabin and it also mentions Anderson naming the Punch Bowl
http://www.michaelkluckner.com/bciw2hopeprinceton.html
Happy trails.
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Just an update on the Cascade Grizzly Bear Recovery Plan
I have received a letter from Matt Austin, Large Carnivore Specialist & Chair, North Cascades Grizzly Bear Recovery Team. It is dated September 16, 2002 and is an update as to what is going on with the recovery plan.
There have been some revisions in the draft plan and the 3 main ones are:
1. delaying the commencement of population augmentation to allow
more preparatory work to be conducted.
2. reducing the maximum number of grizzly bears that would be
transported to the North Cascades in any given year to three
from five.
3. establishing a Liaison Committee comprised of local stakeholders
representatives to work with the recovery team during implentation
of the recovery plan.
It also states:
In order to increase local First Nations and stakeholders involvement in the
recovery process, the Honourable Joyce Murray, has appointed a focused group
of representives to the North Cascades Grizzly Bear Taskforce. Operating
within a three month timeframe, the taskforce will provide the Minister with
recommendations, including any changes to the draft recovery plan, to achieve the long-term conservation of grizzly bears in the North Cascades.
The members of the taskforce will represent the ranching, mining, forest industries, local residents, conservationists, outdoor recreationists and First Nations. Each member of the taskforce is responsible for keeping the constituency they represent informed about the taskforce's work and, to the best ability, reflecting the full spectrum of interests within that sector in
taskforce deliberations. The taskforce's terms of reference and a list of the
members and their E-mail addresses follow:
Bob Helfrich (nominated by the Council of Forest Industries / forrest sector)
bob.helfrich@weyerhaeuser.com
Bob Yorke-Hardy (nominated by the BC & Yukon Chamber of Mines / mining
sector)
bobyorkehardy@hotmail.com
Ernie Willis (nominated by B.C. Cattlemen's Assoc. / ranching sector)
elwillis@uniserve.com
Loyd Manchester (Parks & Wilderness Caucus of BC Environmental Network/ conservation sector)........lmanches@shaw.ca
Tom Nichols ( niminated bt the O.R.C. of B.C. / outdoor recreationists sector)
tnichols@vcn.bc.ca
Larry Koller (nominated by MLA Dave Chutter / local residents)
elliotcr@nethop.net
Dixon Terbasket (nominated by Okanagan Nation Alliance / local first nations)
dixon_terbasket@hotmail.com
Ken Malloway (nominated Sto:lo Nation / local first nations)
ken.malloway@stolonation.bc.ca
Ross Everatt (nominated by the BCWF / hunters & fishers)
everatt@img.net
The letter closes with the following:
The taskforce will provide recommendations to the Minister on or before
October 15, 2002.
I have received a letter from Matt Austin, Large Carnivore Specialist & Chair, North Cascades Grizzly Bear Recovery Team. It is dated September 16, 2002 and is an update as to what is going on with the recovery plan.
There have been some revisions in the draft plan and the 3 main ones are:
1. delaying the commencement of population augmentation to allow
more preparatory work to be conducted.
2. reducing the maximum number of grizzly bears that would be
transported to the North Cascades in any given year to three
from five.
3. establishing a Liaison Committee comprised of local stakeholders
representatives to work with the recovery team during implentation
of the recovery plan.
It also states:
In order to increase local First Nations and stakeholders involvement in the
recovery process, the Honourable Joyce Murray, has appointed a focused group
of representives to the North Cascades Grizzly Bear Taskforce. Operating
within a three month timeframe, the taskforce will provide the Minister with
recommendations, including any changes to the draft recovery plan, to achieve the long-term conservation of grizzly bears in the North Cascades.
The members of the taskforce will represent the ranching, mining, forest industries, local residents, conservationists, outdoor recreationists and First Nations. Each member of the taskforce is responsible for keeping the constituency they represent informed about the taskforce's work and, to the best ability, reflecting the full spectrum of interests within that sector in
taskforce deliberations. The taskforce's terms of reference and a list of the
members and their E-mail addresses follow:
Bob Helfrich (nominated by the Council of Forest Industries / forrest sector)
bob.helfrich@weyerhaeuser.com
Bob Yorke-Hardy (nominated by the BC & Yukon Chamber of Mines / mining
sector)
bobyorkehardy@hotmail.com
Ernie Willis (nominated by B.C. Cattlemen's Assoc. / ranching sector)
elwillis@uniserve.com
Loyd Manchester (Parks & Wilderness Caucus of BC Environmental Network/ conservation sector)........lmanches@shaw.ca
Tom Nichols ( niminated bt the O.R.C. of B.C. / outdoor recreationists sector)
tnichols@vcn.bc.ca
Larry Koller (nominated by MLA Dave Chutter / local residents)
elliotcr@nethop.net
Dixon Terbasket (nominated by Okanagan Nation Alliance / local first nations)
dixon_terbasket@hotmail.com
Ken Malloway (nominated Sto:lo Nation / local first nations)
ken.malloway@stolonation.bc.ca
Ross Everatt (nominated by the BCWF / hunters & fishers)
everatt@img.net
The letter closes with the following:
The taskforce will provide recommendations to the Minister on or before
October 15, 2002.
Scaling New Heights
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Thanx a lot for the update..... hopefully they go through with the plan..... we need grizzlies back in the cascades
High on the Mountain Top
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anyone who likes winter skiing or snowshoeing there is a person that I know who has a winter use permit for this area and is looking for clients.
He will take you into the Warburton Cabin area on snowmobile and will set up a camp somewhere in the area but like all commercial operations there will be a $$$$ exchange. If anyone is interested contact me at mule@direct.ca and I will give you his phone number & E-mail address.
That sounds like a really awesome adventure. I X-country ski in the winter and I have often thought when I've been hiking in the summer that it would be neat to get back to the same place when it was covered under a blanket of snow. This could be a really fun weekdend trip towards the end of February when the days are getting longer again. Anyone else from CT interested?
anyone who likes winter skiing or snowshoeing there is a person that I know who has a winter use permit for this area and is looking for clients.
He will take you into the Warburton Cabin area on snowmobile and will set up a camp somewhere in the area but like all commercial operations there will be a $$$$ exchange. If anyone is interested contact me at mule@direct.ca and I will give you his phone number & E-mail address.
That sounds like a really awesome adventure. I X-country ski in the winter and I have often thought when I've been hiking in the summer that it would be neat to get back to the same place when it was covered under a blanket of snow. This could be a really fun weekdend trip towards the end of February when the days are getting longer again. Anyone else from CT interested?
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