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post #1 of (permalink) Old 11-29-2014, 05:38 PM Thread Starter
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Hi all

Just a quick question

I'm planning on taking some friends up to Elfin lakes for a day trip on the 7th and was wondering if there's any need to take the 'winter route'

I've been up there several times, all the way to the cabin in summer and up to around Paul ridge in deep winter (when the pole markers were up)

Since there's some snow up there but the pole markers aren't yet up, where exactly does the winter route go? Is it similar to the alternate mountain bike path that splits off past red heather in the summer?

Should I even care care given the snow level is probably fairly low with unlikely avalanche conditions now anyway - with a 'summer route' fine to do?

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One section of summer route is prone to some snow avalanche, it be wise to take winter route ..as you climb over the top you largely avoid side slopes where I have seen snow slide debris a # of times.s


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Thanks.

Is there a map somewhere outlining the alternate route? I haven't been able to find one.
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Anything ski-able yet up there? Where does consistent snow start?

Probably very wishful thinking but, hoping to get something in before leaving for Ontario for a month on Dec 14th.
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Anything ski-able yet up there? Where does consistent snow start?

Probably very wishful thinking but, hoping to get something in before leaving for Ontario for a month on Dec 14th.

I would also be interested in an update. sgrant had one a while ago but I'm not sure how conditions have changed since then.
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The summer route doesn't avalanche except in the worst avalanche conditions. People doing laps use the summer route all winter. The steeper parts where the summer road first traverses the side of a steep bowl, south of the highest point of the route, can be avoided by going off the road and out on the flats to the west a bit. The easiest way avoid the second sidehill to the north of the high point without using the winter route, would be to go over the top of the ridge. When the wardens used to drive snowmobiles to Elfin, that's the way they did it.

Without sufficient snow the winter route is quite awkward where it diverts from the summer route, along the two sections where the winter route is located on the east side of the ridge.

If you don't know exactly where the winter route is, and it's not marked, I wouldn't even attempt to try to follow it.

My guess is that the snow should be skiable at least beyond Red Heather.

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I've been getting a lot of conditions updates for popular places like Elfin Lakes from Instagram lately. Search the hashtag #ElfinLakes. If you don't have the app you can use a third party website like so: http://iconosquare.com/viewer.php#/tag/elfinlakes/

Some of the recently posted images may not have been taken recently, but most of them are. Looks like there is enough snow to ski the the trail to the hut anyway.
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The summer route doesn't avalanche except in the worst avalanche conditions. People doing laps use the summer route all winter. The steeper parts where the summer road first traverses the side of a steep bowl, south of the highest point of the route, can be avoided by going off the road and out on the flats to the west a bit. The easiest way avoid the second sidehill to the north of the high point without using the winter route, would be to go over the top of the ridge. When the wardens used to drive snowmobiles to Elfin, that's the way they did it.

Without sufficient snow the winter route is quite awkward where it diverts from the summer route, along the two sections where the winter route is located on the east side of the ridge.

If you don't know exactly where the winter route is, and it's not marked, I wouldn't even attempt to try to follow it.

My guess is that the snow should be skiable at least beyond Red Heather.

without going into further complicated details, these are the type of posts that Sgrant produced and some much better regarding all around knowledge over many years, I like, keep it up
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without going into further complicated details, these are the type of posts that Sgrant produced and some much better regarding all around knowledge over many years, I like, keep it up
Are you trying to get my vote to be a moderator?

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Are you trying to get my vote to be a moderator?
it was mentioned, even perhaps just for fun, that you are in the pool of contestors, while I strictly bow out of such ambitious positions.


I do expect some great feedback as you did in the past, if you are staying with CT2, now that that ski season is rolling in. Now being dogless as both have passed with age/desease we may run into each other somewhere in the backcounry,park area.
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sgRant gives some good information, but you need to understand that slopes of less than 25 degrees rarely avalanche.

Also that: An excellent clue to help you determine how far avalanches have run in the past is to measure the angle between the top of the starting zone, where avalanches may release, and your position. If that angle is less than 25 degrees, then you are "usually" safe.

But there are no absolute rules with avalanches, so go with people that are experienced.
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Prime avalanche terrain is on slopes between 35 and 45 degrees but they can happen on 30 and 50 rarely as well. Personally i would never travel in possible prone avalanche terrain with inexperienced people and without the minimum avalanche safety gear and at least AST-1. Also there is a certain protocol that must be followed by all members when crossing a possible avalanche prone slope. But we all know these things anyways

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