Kootenay Fossil Bed - ClubTread Community

User Tag List

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of (permalink) Old 02-11-2014, 08:48 AM Thread Starter
Headed for the Mountains
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada.
Posts: 169
Default Kootenay Fossil Bed

A group of scientists have published a report in Nature Communications outlining the discovery of a shale fossil bed which rivals Yoho's Burgess Shale in Kootenay National Park:
Nature Communications: http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/14...tml#affil-auth
News Coverage: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...815/story.html
Reported as being near Marble Canyon, the exact location is being kept secret but the Calgary Herald published 1 photo which might provide some clues as to where this is.

Any idea where this is? Stanley Peak is well south and across Highway 93; perhaps from the upper slopes of Boom Mountain?
Matthew.Hobbs is offline  
Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of (permalink) Old 02-11-2014, 01:07 PM
Ryl
Headed for the Mountains
 
Ryl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 228
Default

The rumor I heard is that it's on the Stanley glacier trail itself, but I'm not familiar with the area enough to say either way.
Ryl is offline  
post #3 of (permalink) Old 02-11-2014, 01:51 PM
Summit Master
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: , , .
Posts: 2,833
Default

The mystery of its location has already been solved.
sandy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of (permalink) Old 02-11-2014, 02:42 PM Thread Starter
Headed for the Mountains
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada.
Posts: 169
Default

Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Ryl

The rumor I heard is that it's on the Stanley glacier trail itself, but I'm not familiar with the area enough to say either way.
There's a separate fossil find that's been at the top of the Stanley Glacier trail for a couple of years now, however, the find reported here is different from that one.
Matthew.Hobbs is offline  
post #5 of (permalink) Old 02-11-2014, 03:34 PM
High on the Mountain Top
 
vern.dewit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Posts: 1,166
Default

It certainly could be the upper slopes of Boom. I was there in winter, but very few bother with the bushwhack etc, necessary to get up there. But would that still be considered Marble Canyon?
vern.dewit is offline  
post #6 of (permalink) Old 02-13-2014, 03:40 PM
High on the Mountain Top
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Posts: 1,610
Default

The PDF on the nature.com site shows the areas. http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/14...mms4210-s1.pdf

The pictures on this site had embedded GPS coordinates in the exif info:
http://www.rom.on.ca/en/blog/mighty-...-national-park

I figured it would be prudent to notify them, and the coordinates have since been removed.
Marko is offline  
post #7 of (permalink) Old 02-14-2014, 12:17 PM Thread Starter
Headed for the Mountains
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada.
Posts: 169
Default

Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Marko

The PDF on the nature.com site shows the areas. http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/14...mms4210-s1.pdf

The pictures on this site had embedded GPS coordinates in the exif info:
http://www.rom.on.ca/en/blog/mighty-...-national-park

I figured it would be prudent to notify them, and the coordinates have since been removed.
Nice detective work Marko!
The Herald photo above must have been a sightseeing or scouting heli-tour because there's no way that photo was taken on Whymper...angle on Stanley is off and you can't make out Ball.
Either way, this is just one more reason to love Mount Whymper...and perhaps a reason to head back up there!
Matthew.Hobbs is offline  
post #8 of (permalink) Old 02-14-2014, 03:05 PM
High on the Mountain Top
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Posts: 1,610
Default

Damn it, I typed up a bunch of stuff and then hit refresh by accident and lost it all.. ahhh!

The PDF they show (http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/14...mms4210-s1.pdf) has five rectangles. Two are marked SG (Stanley Glacier), two MW (Mount Whymper) and the fifth MC (Marble Canyon). All their media refers to the discovery as the "Marble Canyon" site, indicating that the site is in the rectangle marked MC. They show the rectangles in blue and yellow. Blue is supposedly the deeper end between the Cathedral Escarpment and the Stephen formation. Burgess Shale lies in this area. I wonder if they've already looked through the other four sites. It would be interesting to scramble up the summit west of Mount Whymper, aiming through the blue rectangle in the PDF.

This diagram illustrates the Cathedral Escarpment:
http://burgess-shale.rom.on.ca/image...ale_geo_06.jpg

In the PDF they show the magenta line shows the Cathedral Escarpment. It can be seen on a grander scale here:

http://burgess-shale.rom.on.ca/image...e_today_04.jpg

It passes through some beautiful places in the Rockies, including the Lake O'Hara area. I've always been interested in finding a scrambling route up Park Mountain and I'd like to get up Odaray this year. It looks like the Cathedral Escarpment line passes right through there. I'll have to keep an eye out for fossils.

This one shows the escarpment on a global scale 500 million years ago:
http://burgess-shale.rom.on.ca/image...ale_geo_05.jpg

Fascinating stuff!
Marko is offline  
post #9 of (permalink) Old 02-18-2014, 10:06 AM
Off the Beaten Path
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Salmon Arm, BC, Canada.
Posts: 971
Default

Stanley Glacier site has been known about for a while--discovered in 1996, major excavation work started in 2008 with at least 10 new species discovered.

Word I've heard is that Parks Canada and/or a contractor such as Burgess Shale Foundation will start offering guided hiking tours to the Stanley Glacier fossil beds as early as this summer. That's good, the hike is relatively easy, the area is really scenic and the site is just off the existing trail.


The more remote and more valuable Marble Canyon site will remain secret and also off-limits, and intruder detection systems similar to those protecting Walcott quarry will probably be installed this year.
pmjwright is offline  
post #10 of (permalink) Old 02-19-2014, 08:54 AM Thread Starter
Headed for the Mountains
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada.
Posts: 169
Default

Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Marko

Damn it, I typed up a bunch of stuff and then hit refresh by accident and lost it all.. ahhh!

The PDF they show (http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/14...mms4210-s1.pdf) has five rectangles. Two are marked SG (Stanley Glacier), two MW (Mount Whymper) and the fifth MC (Marble Canyon). All their media refers to the discovery as the "Marble Canyon" site, indicating that the site is in the rectangle marked MC. They show the rectangles in blue and yellow. Blue is supposedly the deeper end between the Cathedral Escarpment and the Stephen formation. Burgess Shale lies in this area. I wonder if they've already looked through the other four sites. It would be interesting to scramble up the summit west of Mount Whymper, aiming through the blue rectangle in the PDF.

This diagram illustrates the Cathedral Escarpment:
http://burgess-shale.rom.on.ca/image...ale_geo_06.jpg

In the PDF they show the magenta line shows the Cathedral Escarpment. It can be seen on a grander scale here:

http://burgess-shale.rom.on.ca/image...e_today_04.jpg

It passes through some beautiful places in the Rockies, including the Lake O'Hara area. I've always been interested in finding a scrambling route up Park Mountain and I'd like to get up Odaray this year. It looks like the Cathedral Escarpment line passes right through there. I'll have to keep an eye out for fossils.

This one shows the escarpment on a global scale 500 million years ago:
http://burgess-shale.rom.on.ca/image...ale_geo_05.jpg

Fascinating stuff!
Very cool. Thanks for taking the time to (re)post!
According to Rick Collier, Park Mountain is a straightforward scramble from the Biddle-Park col. Unfortunately, making your way around the southwest shore of McArthur Lake and up the scree cone towards the col looks like it might be a challenge, however. Perhaps it's just perspective but the top of that scree cone below the col looks vertical in this shot taken from Mount Schaffer last year. Park would certainly be a cool summit though (fossils or not)!
Park Route:

Close up of the col:
Matthew.Hobbs is offline  
post #11 of (permalink) Old 02-19-2014, 01:15 PM
High on the Mountain Top
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Posts: 1,610
Default

Thanks Matt. I haven't read Rick's trip report, no access to bivouac. Looking at Google Earth, I was thinking of taking the same approach. What looks like a trail can be seen on google earth, leading towards the col: http://goo.gl/maps/nGD0M nmcan84 has a trip report that details some possible difficulties to the summit: https://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topi...TOPIC_ID=37521
Marko is offline  
post #12 of (permalink) Old 02-19-2014, 01:45 PM Thread Starter
Headed for the Mountains
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada.
Posts: 169
Default

Rick only mentions a "wide rubbly ridge" and "an easy romp over scree, boulders and talus." Of course, he was there to climb Mount Biddle so terms like "wide ridge" and "easy" could be relative. Nmcan84's photo certainly makes the ascent of Park appear to be more challenging that Rick lets on. I'd be curious how far you have to descend the south side of the pass before you can get around that rock band...
Matthew.Hobbs is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome
 

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1