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Steventy 12-18-2012 09:56 PM

Lost Cypress snowboarder found alive
 
Congrats on another successful search NSR. I know the guy isn't out of the woods yet but I assume it will now be possible to get him some warmth and plan an exit.
http://www.news1130.com/2012/12/18/m...spotted-alive/

I've been following this story and as the hours turned to days the possibility of a positive outcome seemed less likely.

When I see these types of searches (when there is a large area to canvas and when time is critical,) I wish there was a way for people with their own equipment and basic training in avalanche safety, mountaineering and first-aid to help with more feet on the ground. I've heard the reasons why that is not done but I've got to think that there would be a way to use a search "reserve force" if it existed for some types of searches. Even it's just to help patrol some of the easy terrain on the boundaries to help narrow down the search area.


Rachelo 12-18-2012 10:11 PM

usually if they need more bodies, they call in a literal 'reserve force' - from other SAR units.
Good news.

Kid Charlemagne 12-18-2012 10:26 PM

Steventy, 'mutual aid' from other SAR teams was requested for this search. Generally speaking, SAR usually has adequate resources for searches, keeping in mind that the searchers need to be trained and manageable as per the risks presented by the search. If the person was missing in a cornfield in the Fraser Valley, it might be appropriate to use 'civilian' volunteer searchers, but that certainly isn't the case in the North Shore mountains right now.

RichMac 12-18-2012 10:26 PM

The Province article mentions that they have to wait 3 hours for a helicopter from Comox. http://bit.ly/T69uG5

Could anyone shed some light on this? Why don't they have a helicopter available in the lower mainland? Purely cost?

Steventy 12-18-2012 10:29 PM

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quote:Originally posted by RichMac

The Province article mentions that they have to wait 3 hours for a helicopter from Comox. http://bit.ly/T69uG5

Could anyone shed some light on this? Why don't they have a helicopter available in the lower mainland? Purely cost?
My guess is they needed the CH-149 Cormorant to perform a long-line rescue in the current weather.

Kid Charlemagne 12-18-2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by RichMac

The Province article mentions that they have to wait 3 hours for a helicopter from Comox. http://bit.ly/T69uG5

Could anyone shed some light on this? Why don't they have a helicopter available in the lower mainland? Purely cost?
None of the helicopters used by SAR teams in the Lower Mainland fly after dark, or in very inclement weather. That's what the heavy guns out of Comox are for.

RichMac 12-18-2012 11:49 PM

I wish I could stop reading the facebook comments on this.

Quote:

quote:Honestly, I hoped they wouldnt find him alive. Would have served as a lesson to others that if you choose to take the risk, you better be ready for the possible outcome. I am sick to death of paying for these yahoos to get picked up after being stupid. Let Darwin take hold and weed these ones out. This coming from someone who loves high risk sports, but sure as hell dont expect anyone to pick up the tab if I dont prepare. Hopefully he lost a toe or two
5 Hours ago, 3 likes.


Ryan.in.yaletown 12-19-2012 12:13 AM

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Kid Charlemagne

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by RichMac

The Province article mentions that they have to wait 3 hours for a helicopter from Comox. http://bit.ly/T69uG5

Could anyone shed some light on this? Why don't they have a helicopter available in the lower mainland? Purely cost?
None of the helicopters used by SAR teams in the Lower Mainland fly after dark, or in very inclement weather. That's what the heavy guns out of Comox are for.
^^ What he said.

Good coverage:
http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/nort...338650#stories
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/rescued-snowboa...-say-1.1084732

-Ryan

Steventy 12-19-2012 12:16 AM

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Kid Charlemagne

Steventy, 'mutual aid' from other SAR teams was requested for this search. Generally speaking, SAR usually has adequate resources for searches, keeping in mind that the searchers need to be trained and manageable as per the risks presented by the search. If the person was missing in a cornfield in the Fraser Valley, it might be appropriate to use 'civilian' volunteer searchers, but that certainly isn't the case in the North Shore mountains right now.
Thanks for the info.

I understand the general reasoning. At the same time, it's not quite that black and white. There are some very skilled mountaineers (some that may even have previous SAR experience,) in the local area that can't join a team because they aren't able to make the year-round time commitment due to work or family obligations. In the event of a search that requires extra manpower, leveraging teams from other areas is good but they are small and they have their own searches to work on (Squamish has been busy with another search over the past week.) It seems feasible that there may be advantages to having a local back-up crew that would fund their own way (pay for their own equipment and training,) and would be required to have completed the GSAR course from the justice institute, AST-1, and Wilderness First Aid. They'd be available for searches where time is critical and where at least some of the search area is not highly technical. In a search like this one, you could have even set up a few of these teams to camp in non-avalanche terrain around the boundary and below the snow line in case the subject walked into their vicinity or in case verbal contact could be established in the silence of the night.

Obviously the SAR system is working pretty well today. It's miraculous how many searches are successful and how few searchers are injured or lost in the process; especially considering the small amount of funding that is made available. That doesn't mean we can't brainstorm about ways it could be even better in the future.



On a related note:
This fellow sounds like he probably has a bit of money in the bank. Hopefully he makes a generous donation for Christmas.
"Boucher is a director of finance with the National Bank of Canada, CBC News has confirmed. He works in both the Ottawa and Vancouver offices of the bank, but currently resides in West Vancouver."

Steventy 12-19-2012 12:23 AM

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by RichMac

I wish I could stop reading the facebook comments on this.

Quote:

quote:Honestly, I hoped they wouldnt find him alive. Would have served as a lesson to others that if you choose to take the risk, you better be ready for the possible outcome. I am sick to death of paying for these yahoos to get picked up after being stupid. Let Darwin take hold and weed these ones out. This coming from someone who loves high risk sports, but sure as hell dont expect anyone to pick up the tab if I dont prepare. Hopefully he lost a toe or two
5 Hours ago, 3 likes.


Most people seem to grossly underestimate how much of their tax dollars go towards healthcare for drunk drivers, the obese, and smokers and grossly overestimate how much of their tax dollars go to SAR operations.

Urban trekker 12-19-2012 08:52 AM

Quote:

quote:Most people seem to grossly underestimate how much of their tax dollars go towards healthcare for drunk drivers, the obese, and smokers and grossly overestimate how much of their tax dollars go to SAR operations.
My thoughts exactly.

mick range 12-19-2012 11:16 AM

I think it's long overdue that more skiers and boarders learn mountaineering skills. I used to carry crampons and an axe when I skied, and my buddies used to laugh at me for that. Thing was, I had hiked and spent a lot of time in the hills before I skied, so it seemed normal to me. If you're heading out of bounds, a bivy shelter and a small stove are good ideas too. Why not?

Trail Talk 12-19-2012 02:57 PM

I wish as much discussion on prevention occurs as does the SAR chat which is, after all, only necessary once the sh*t hits the fan. SAR is the darling topic nowadays, like police SWAT, but it detracts from the desired outcome to keep bad things from happening in the first place.

trick 12-19-2012 03:49 PM

Indeed. At the risk of jumping to conclusions, this guy didn't seem to have the slightest clue what he was up to. Being an idiot shouldn't be a death sentence, but a reprimand and maybe a little public shaming isn't a bad thing. This guy should really not have been back there by himself. He wasn't at all prepared for backcountry travel. By the sounds of the CTV News article though, the SAR people let him know that.

sgRant 12-19-2012 04:38 PM

I'd like to hear from "the subject" how he got from the top of Strachan to 400m elevation in Disbrow Creek. This requires passing the western verge of the downhill area and/or the (marked) Howe Sound Crest trail, plus crossing the south fork of Montizambert Creek.

I also wonder if he had a cellphone with gps capability. A lot of 'splainin to do.


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