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post #1 of (permalink) Old 01-24-2005, 12:09 AM Thread Starter
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Has anyone given any thought to the creation of a forum or tool allowing people to post accurate GPS coordinates for locations? I notice that there is a complete lack of coordinates on ClubTread, but many many people have GPS units I assume they are using.

A few coordinates to get things started:
(Confirmed - ~10m error)
10 U 586749 5440987 : Elk Mountain Rocky Lookout
10 U 586068 5439855 : Elk Mountain Trailhead
10 U 586068 5439855 : Goat Bluffs Trailhead (Mt Ogilvie - Hope)
10 U 612402 5439788 : Lindeman Lake Trailhead
10 U 626289 5479831 : Serpentine Lake Trailhead

(Unconfirmed, using map tool - NOT 100% accurate ~ 50-75m error)
10 U 610258 5494089 : Upper Frozen Lake, Yale
10 U 611249 5494312 : Lower Frozen Lake, Yale
10 U 628024 5490183 : Jeannie Lake, Hope
10 U 607772 5497862 : Inkwathia Lake, Yale
10 U 636066 5430226 : Galene Lakes
10 U 615522 5482120 : Squeak Lake, Hope
10 U 635545 5492632 : Needle Peak
10 U 639180 5497583 : Falls Lake
10 U 626860 5484600 : Ladner Creek Trestle Bridge and Tunnel
10 U 627779 5477309 : Serpentine Lake
10 U 617645 5463931 : Wells Peak
10 U 614828 5467308 : Hope Mountain
10 U 611559 5470977 : Landstrom Ridge, Hope
10 U 569104 5484815 : Statlu Falls
10 U 567120 5485775 : Upper Statlu Lake
10 U 612447 5440963 : Lindeman Lake
10 U 614088 5444021 : Greendrop Lake
10 U 615494 5441382 : Flora Lake
10 U 619539 5456621 : Eaton Lake
10 U 614392 5455029 : Swanee Lake
10 U 614728 5491842 : Lincoln Mountain, Yale

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Excellent idea. Thanks. I'll see if I can did out mine and post them as well.

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Well, there is already all of these on www.bivouac.com Yes, it's a pay site (don't want to get into that all over again), but costs less than most Vancouverites spend on coffee in a week and is good value (you even get bivouac $ now - just knew Canadian Tire couldn't have the monopoly on that wonderful idea).
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Well, there is already all of these on www.bivouac.com Yes, it's a pay site (don't want to get into that all over again), but costs less than most Vancouverites spend on coffee in a week and is good value (you even get bivouac $ now - just knew Canadian Tire couldn't have the monopoly on that wonderful idea).
I have major issues against Bivouac. Why should I pay to receive data that people weren't paid to submit? They are just milking money away from the people who did all the hard work. On top of that, each time I go to the site it's more and more locked down.
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ShadowChaser: I assume these are NAD 83 coordinates?
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ShadowChaser,

I've contributed a few trip reports to Bivouac and have a whole list of new ones that I still intend to submit, along with trip pictures and route descriptions. When going up a mountain I haven't done before, that's first place I turn. It really is a great resource and I have no hesitation at all to pay the nominal fee. The charge for membership goes towards the servers and the software, not to mention the countless hours the administrator puts in. I recall a note from him a year or so ago that the site actually costs him far more to run than he recovers. It isn't exactly a cash-cow.

In any event, this is a little off topic from your post, I just wanted to set the record straight regarding Bivouac.

Good luck to you in getting your GPS coordinate forum/tool going, SC. It would be very useful and valuable.

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I have major issues against Bivouac. Why should I pay to receive data that people weren't paid to submit? They are just milking money away from the people who did all the hard work. On top of that, each time I go to the site it's more and more locked down.
I think we've had this argument before. But as one of the submitters to Bivouac (editors) it is a huge amount of work - I mean huge. True, I'm not paid to submit data (and I wouldn't take money if it was offered) but it doesn't necessarily follow that the user should get everything for free. You paid for your guidebooks did you not? The data on Bivouac is better than a guidebook because it is up to date (for access, conditions and new routes), something that you'll never get in a guidebook because things change even before the book gets to press. As PB said, the cost (which is minor) goes entirely to supporting the site. In fact, the owner is in the can to the tune of something over $100K just so you folks can get all that data that us hard-working volunteers put in on our own time for free!
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I have major issues against Bivouac. Why should I pay to receive data that people weren't paid to submit? They are just milking money away from the people who did all the hard work. On top of that, each time I go to the site it's more and more locked down.
I think we've had this argument before. But as one of the submitters to Bivouac (editors) it is a huge amount of work - I mean huge. True, I'm not paid to submit data (and I wouldn't take money if it was offered) but it doesn't necessarily follow that the user should get everything for free. You paid for your guidebooks did you not? The data on Bivouac is better than a guidebook because it is up to date (for access, conditions and new routes), something that you'll never get in a guidebook because things change even before the book gets to press. As PB said, the cost (which is minor) goes entirely to supporting the site. In fact, the owner is in the can to the tune of something over $100K just so you folks can get all that data that us hard-working volunteers put in on our own time for free!
I agree, but I also think the balance on that site is wrong. I could not find anywhere (without logging in) mentioning any prices. I also could not find any indication as to where the money gets used. I have *no* problem helping run the server costs - it's very fair.

What I don't like is that fact every month he locks it down more and more. It's also geared more towards mountaineers, or at least, is at first glance. How can I tell if it's a usefull resource for hiking if I can't even look at *any* of the data?

I'd rather see a much more creative system of generating revenues instead of the current 100% subscription system.

I guess I don't have an issue with paying to download information, but I have an issue about *uploading* information and having it locked behind closed doors. I'd rather post it on my own site and have it free to the world.

In any event, that's not what this discussion is about. There is a lack of GPS data regarding *hiking trails*. Bivouac only has mountaineering data and the standard super-mega popular hikes.
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ShadowChaser: I assume these are NAD 83 coordinates?
Sorry, I should have mentioned that in the original post. They are WGS-84 / NAD-83.
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There was a good thread about this topic last summer:
https://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7347

I think the answer is for people who post trip reports include some waypoint information as part of the report, like what you did in the first message of this thread, SC. If you're researching a trip here on CT you'll probably read most of the trip reports anyways.

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ShadowChaser: I assume these are NAD 83 coordinates?
Sorry, I should have mentioned that in the original post. They are WGS-84 / NAD-83.
It seems that there is a small difference between WGS84 and NAD83..
What is commenly used in Canada, NAD83, or a mix of things?

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ShadowChaser: I assume these are NAD 83 coordinates?
Sorry, I should have mentioned that in the original post. They are WGS-84 / NAD-83.
It seems that there is a small difference between WGS84 and NAD83..
What is commenly used in Canada, NAD83, or a mix of things?

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My GPS says WGS84 UTM.
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Depends where you are in Canada - in the Yukon, NAD27 Alaska is considered to be a more accurate projection (don't ask me why, I'm not a geographer)..
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