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post #1 of (permalink) Old 01-21-2013, 01:01 PM Thread Starter
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Hi Everyone,

I'm in the process of creating a new (and very much overdue) recreation / hiking map for the E.C. Manning and Skagit Valley Provincial Parks and, just like the Garibaldi Park map I published (2008), I'm looking for input from the hiking community for:

1. Photos
2. GPS'd Trails

Attached is a JPG showing the area that is being mapped.

Anyone feeling generous enough to contribute data or photos will receive 5 copies of the completed map (to be published in early April). Send me a PM if you want to contribute to the project. Cheers!

Map Specifications:
- printed on waterproof/tear-resistant 'paper'
- 24" x 36" colour, folds to 4" x 9"
- 1:50,000 scale
- hiking trails, campsites / campgrounds, horse-riding trails, access routes, active logging roads, etc.
- 25 m elevation contours, peak elevations
- Trail / Route distances
- and much more

Thanks for your time!

Cheers,

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What routes have you got so far? It would be easier if you post them here and we can check if you're missing any.
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for some reason, when i click on your map it displays a black box. But from the thumbnail it looks like the map stops at the US border. I think that's a mistake as many trips originate on one side or the other and cross over the border. Is there a reason map makers stop at their respective side of the 49th?

There's a good one I have of the Mount Baker area that includes the Fraser Valley.
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Stoked - thanks for the note - here's a list of trails that need a little help with GPS data:

Nicomen Lake Trail
Pacific Coast Trail
East Similkameen Trail
Silverdaisy Trail
Centennial Trail (in area where Skagit River meets Klesilkwa River)
Grainger Creek Trail
Poland Lake Trail - section around the lake
Galene Lakes Trail (Skagit area)

re: Maps stopping at borders - this map does cover a small part of the trail network on the American side (not sure why the graphic shows up black). The PCT sees about 40 or so people coming up from the American side - not much more than that. Most people stop at the border because it's actively monitored and you don't want to cross over without documentation - it's a real hassle. Our border with the USA is a real border in this case, not an abstract EU border.
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Most people stop at the border because it's actively monitored and you don't want to cross over without documentation - it's a real hassle.
I don't know what you mean by actively monitored. I've crossed the border many times at Monument 78 and other trails in the Pasayten. I've never been challenged by border patrol on either side. A doubt the Canadians care much anyway. So you can always get back into Canada.

That said, I have seen U.S. border patrol officers on paved roads south of the wilderness area.
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Most people stop at the border because it's actively monitored and you don't want to cross over without documentation - it's a real hassle.
I don't know what you mean by actively monitored. I've crossed the border many times at Monument 78 and other trails in the Pasayten. I've never been challenged by border patrol on either side. A doubt the Canadians care much anyway. So you can always get back into Canada.

That said, I have seen U.S. border patrol officers on paved roads south of the wilderness area.
Some areas of the border have had cameras and motion sensors put in place. Not worth gambling. For example out in behind Cultus lake they have them in place because of the drug runners.



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Some areas of the border have had cameras and motion sensors put in place. Not worth gambling. For example out in behind Cultus lake they have them in place because of the drug runners.
Yeah, not surprised about Cultus because it is roaded and has cell coverage. Motion sensors are pointless because of wildlife. If a camera or motion sensor is in place at Monument 78 it would probably have to have a satellite link. It wouldn't be cheap technology and would require battery maintenance. Also, it would be prone to theft and vandalism. It would be expensive. I'd be very surprised if it is installed there. That's why U.S. Homeland Security wants to road the roadless Pasayten. So the border guards can drive it in their 4x4s. Not many of them want to rough it out of doors for too long. The border will remain porous for a while yet.
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Has anyone been up Mt. Outram or Ghost Pass Trails recently? Apparently they've been washed out and strewn with blow-down at their respective trail heads. Thanks.
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Has anyone been up Mt. Outram or Ghost Pass Trails recently? Apparently they've been washed out and strewn with blow-down at their respective trail heads. Thanks.
What is your source for this information?
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Has anyone been up Mt. Outram or Ghost Pass Trails recently? Apparently they've been washed out and strewn with blow-down at their respective trail heads. Thanks.
We were shoeing up there a few weekends ago and although there is SOME blowdown, it doesn't prevent passage.

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Info source is the BC Parks Manning Area Supervisor - they have to err on the conservative side for the sake of public safety.
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Hi All,

It's official - the new backcountry/recreation map for Manning Park and Skagit Valley Park is now available. You can view the map and, if you like it, buy it for $9.95 online at our website - www.clarkgeomatics.ca/map-products.html

The final map specifications are:

- Shaded Relief
- 24" x 36" colour, folds to 4" x 9"
- 1:50,000 scale with 25 m contours
- Peak Names / Elevations
- GPS'd Trail & Distances
- Campsites & Campgrounds
- Sites of Interest (e.g. Hope Slide, Allison Pass, ...)
- Historical Trails (e.g. Dewdney, Hope Pass, ...)
- Historical Tidbits
- Info Guide & Climate Averages (charts)
- Printed on 60 lb offset paper (to keep costs down for everyone)

You can purchase the map at the following retail locations (more to come):
  • Hope Visitor Centre
  • Mt. Waddingtons Outdoors - Chilliwack
  • Valhalla Pure - Abbotsford
  • Valhalla Pure - Squamish
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So it's not waterproof like the other ones?
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Great to see! Just ordered mine.

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The WCWC with possible others, may have cleared/created a trail connecting the Ghost Pass Trail from the lake through to the Sowaqua Creek FSR. This would be a considerably shorter access to the HBC than the existing Whatcom Trail. I'll be doing the Dewdney/Whatcom loop this weekend - map would have been nice to have.
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