Headed for the Mountains
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
I'll bite, too:
Originally posted by time2clmb:
"Big names" are people that are out there all the time, working and pushing hard at progressing the sports they are in. The people posting info on Bivouac are nobodies, as are 99.9% of the rest.
I can't figure out what point is being made here, except to demonstrate that T2C's mouth is running well ahead of his brain. Is the idea that one's opinion doesn't count, unless one is "progressing the sport"? And, if so, what constitutes "progressing the sport," exactly? First ascents? Faster ascents? John Clarke and Steve House, to pick just two examples, have both "progressed the sport," but in very different ways. I would feel like an idiot claiming that one's contributions to the sport outweighed the other's.
As to the Bivouac names, the larger point being made by numerous people is that Robin Tivy's foresight in building a comprehensive (if weirdly structured and maintained) mountain database does not entitle him to single-handedly force the climbing community to use names other than those that have, up until now, been decided over time, through local use and consensus. It's arrogant and disrespectful of the local community. People have seized on the issue because it's a handy example of Robin's my-way-or-the-highway mentality, which alienates members of the community. If Robin had better people skills, or a bit more humility, these problems would have been resolved years ago in a simple, non-confrontational way. But Robin's fortress mentality has polarized things and driven many well-meaning contributors away.