quote:Originally posted by Engor
I've heard lots of crazy stuff about CONS from some former members. They are "outdoor nuts" as they claim to be: scrambling or skiing drunk, leaving people behind, leaving garbage behind or just taking dump right on the trail.
I wasn't going to respond but wow are we just making up rumors now? Lemme guess, hearing rumors from former members who clearly did not like the group's objectives?
Yes there is a lot of drinking/eating and consequently hangover hikes on the morning after.
Yes there are no draconian requirements on helmets (except for caving)
Yes there are no strict rules about sticking in one complete group.
No there has never been garbage left behind anywhere except by accident. We have however improved firepits/benches, built grey water pits, and lots of members volunteered for the flood clean ups in the city and K country.
Taking a dump (really???)
On leaving people behind - (On major trail splits, someone will always wait.) On easier hikes, organizers sometimes wait to a fault. On harder/hike scrambles the description is clear
on what is expected and what happens if you can not keep up. On severe conditions people have turned back in groups. And no there is no tour guiding hikes here.
quote:Originally posted by Marko
There is a meet up group called "Calgary Outdoor Nuts." At first I thought the name was funny, but I've been following their trip postings and now it makes me cringe. With these guys, there doesn't seem to be any thought given to safety precautions and consideration of environment or other hikers.
My biggest concern is their group size. They have no max limits. This weekend they're doing Tower of Babel with 17 people. Someone on the waiting list asked if it's okay to organize a second unofficial group and the coordinator responded:
"Sure, people on the waiting list are welcome to show up and come along with us. The limit is mostly there because I don't know how many drivers are going to sign up but it looks like we have plenty."
They have another trip scheduled on Sunday, taking 14 up Mount Edith. I'm sure they'd take 50 if they could.
Neither trip has any mention of helmets - but they put extreme emphasis on not wearing cotton!
I commented once on their group size for The Wedge and the issue of rockfall on the ramp. I got banned from the group.
This seems like a disaster just waiting to happen.
Did you mentioned about the part about sending judgmental messages and emails before meeting people in person? Contrary to what you "assume" most core members are experienced hikers and climbers. While there are a few newer people on each trip, most of them are in better physical condition than the average hiking group.
I can "assume" you are just looking to complain because we don't fit your mold of what hikers are. But I've heard assuming things make me into you know what. Yes the group is not typical, but with >300 meetups ranging from hiking/climbing/caving/biking/offroading/snowboarding/snow shoeing, not to mention trips to North Coast/West Coast/Chilkoot trails in the past year, people are still having fun and getting out there. We don't care you do out there, maybe you should have the courtesy of doing the same without rumor mongering.