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post #1 of (permalink) Old 05-07-2015, 05:37 PM Thread Starter
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3 hours after heading up from the car park we were still in trees with no sign of the peak, the weather closed in and the temperature plummeted, we decided to give it another half hour or so, the thought of going back down wasn't very appealing, i'd gone thru the large part of a roll of flagging tape marking the route, hit a couple of steep sections, we were on a ridge now the bush lessened and we made good progress and soon came to an open area which made a good lunch spot, the weather had changed for the better too.

Heading onwards winding thru trees and bush we got a glimpse of what i assumed was the summit area, covered in trees, a bit of route finding, couple of steep bits and were finally on the summit, marked by a cairn,in about 4 hours.

Heading down the snow we spot the first flagging of the day leading along the ridge, half an hour or so and we arrive at the junction to Hanes valley. Make good time to the chalet, 7 hours in total, satisfying trip.
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post #2 of (permalink) Old 05-10-2015, 12:26 AM
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Nice photos.

Was thinking of heading up to crown my mid week. Do you think the snow will be all gone? Safe enough to do now without crampons/axe?

I was reading it could take 10+ hours but I like the sound of 7-8. We're you going at a fair clip?

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What route up did you take?
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What route up did you take?
We made our own way up, didn't see any signs of a trail, which surprised me.
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Isn't this easily accessed from the Crown trail? Or am I thinking of something else?
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i'd gone thru the large part of a roll of flagging tape marking the route
Why do people insist on flagging the crap out of the backcountry with all manner of random flagging tape? Do you like creating an eyesore?

... and please don't tell us you're doing this as some kind of public service because "someone might follow our *route*"...
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Why do people insist on flagging the crap out of the backcountry with all manner of random flagging tape? Do you like creating an eyesore?

... and please don't tell us you're doing this as some kind of public service because "someone might follow our *route*"...

I appreciate seeing the "random flagging tape" because it calms my fears in knowing that someone else has walked a similar path as I have. This allows me to walk off their path and return to it if I need to reorientate myself. This is how I try to stay safe. We should be looking out for each other, isn't that the purpose of any outdoor community?

Anyways, Muskeeto, love your pictures! What time of day did you go? I imagine the snow to be super slushy and rocks to be slippery?
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Hmm, there is a flagged route up the buttress, so it seems you went up alongside it. Or, the old flagging is gone? Anyway, you got up it. Love that hike.
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Flagging debate is interesting one. There are 2 sides to it. In one hand, it can really help when you see flags on a route. Specially when bits of trail are covered with snow & nobody has passed in a long time. Even if you have GPS it helps navigate micro-terrain - specially in coastal 'jungle'. I.e on recent trip up Coin lake I was very grateful for flags in several occasions.

In other hand, it can be deceiving and in extreme cases downright wrong. I always recall trip up Tetrahedron; we got a bit lost, and 1 person kept charging in what was wrong direction. He also kept flagging like a madman; I asked if he knew where he was going, answer was "not really" - but kept flagging. So I think common sense is key criteria.

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Nice photos.

Was thinking of heading up to crown my mid week. Do you think the snow will be all gone? Safe enough to do now without crampons/axe?

I was reading it could take 10+ hours but I like the sound of 7-8. We're you going at a fair clip?

Thanks!
The snow's fairly soft now, we did it without crampons/axe, i'd say there'll be snow still on route down from SB and along the ridge.

we quickened the pace on the descent.
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Why do people insist on flagging the crap out of the backcountry with all manner of random flagging tape? Do you like creating an eyesore?

... and please don't tell us you're doing this as some kind of public service because "someone might follow our *route*"...
Main reason for the flagging: not to get lost if we had to retrace our steps. There are numerous reasons why having a marked route is a good idea, can't really be bothered commenting on it further.
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Main reason for the flagging: not to get lost if we had to retrace our steps. There are numerous reasons why having a marked route is a good idea, can't really be bothered commenting on it further.
Not intending to be nasty, but if you can't find your way "back" without relying on flagging then you should probably stay on well marked trails.

I do a lot of off-trail hiking and never need to use flagging.
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Bah! You're both wrong (just cuz). Nothing wrong with flagging a return path when bush whacking, but.....
....etiquette dictates removing said flagging on way back if it doesn't pan out.

This route went through, so fine. But....(again) there's already a flagged route. A second route isn't needed (unless it's an interesting alternative).

You both have points, just offering my opinion.
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Unless you are cutting down trees or building a road, you don't need to use flagging tape. If you are worried about getting lost, a GPS, or dare I say, a map and compass (!) will work just fine.
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Unless you are cutting down trees or building a road, you don't need to use flagging tape. If you are worried about getting lost, a GPS, or dare I say, a map and compass (!) will work just fine.
In general there are situations where a marker is very useful, where the route changes direction or to show a less technically difficult route, What do you do when you hit a cliff band on the way back down and can't remember how you got up it?

On this occasion the tape wasn't really necessary, the terrain easier than expected, but why take chances?, i'll more than likely do the route again and remove the tape.

I don't really like the idea of GPS, what happens when it fails?
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