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post #106 of (permalink) Old 05-07-2020, 10:05 PM Thread Starter
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They allow this in a provincial park?

Probably not this year because of COVID, but normally yes -- think Tuesdays and Fridays were Robson heli days, from Valemount. There is helipad ~2km past Berg Lake, near Robson Pass. One can also heli to Mt. Assinboine, which is BC Park as well.



Re touristy areas, it's always a debate. I went 3 times & could tell you stories you'd not believe. But it is magnificent & scenery compensates for crowds. Once you are in, like most other places, you only need to get off main trails & you can have it to yourself. That pic was taken from one of such places.
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Thanks for info on printing out receipt. I have done the trail 1.5x before, and the video is uninformative relative to the 30 minutes of dealing with cougars and grizz that Glacier National Park (USA) requires of backcountry travelers.
So maybe I will see how things evolve, and give an official body a call later in the summer.
(The Visitor Center is a magnet for tour buses.)
The shelter at Berg Lake proper is extremely useful for drying out after long rainy nights.

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Robson Helimagic drops off Mondays and Fridays at Berg Lake, Tuesdays after a long weekend. Home page says won't be doing so for a while; not an essential service:
https://www.robsonhelimagic.com/mt-robson
If you just accept that the trail is a social experience, the tour is absolutely gorgeous. Multiple hikes to be had out of Berg Lake, so more than one night there is useful. The hike to Snowbird Pass above Robson Glacier is itself a full day.
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Federal Government today announced limited re-opening of National Parks and Historic Sites, starting June 1. Camping will not be allowed till at least June 21. Details are deliberately not posted yet, and it is very unclear what and where will re-open. I believe they will synchronize with provinces & there will not be one for all universal rule.



What does this mean for Rockies? I think Banff and Jasper will re-open for day-hiking on June 1. Why? Both are in Alberta, and as Alberta was first to fully reopen provincial parks for day use, it is likely it will give green light. Rest -- we shall see.
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The Maligne Road opens tomorrow at noon to locals for walking and cycling. I think it then opens to all traffic as of the 21st. So will 93A and it also said Celestine Road too, but there has been a few reported incidents between cyclists and pipeliners. Iím not sure if that has been resolved.

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I wish "camping" only referred to front country. Crossing my fingers...
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I wish "camping" only referred to front country. Crossing my fingers...

Stu - I don't have crystal ball, but the way this is going backcountry camping in Banff / Jasper will be ok this summer. Baring unforeseen circumstances, 2nd covid wave, etc. Btw, think you are somewhere east, there is unreal amount of snow in Rockies, can't remember in my 25 yrs these kind of conditions 2nd half of May. Backcountry will be in shape later than usual anyways. So nothing will really be lost.


Camping ban was always for forecountry anyways; places like Wapiti or Whistler in Jasper where half of Edmonton flocks during long weekends.



So you can plan whatever you have in mind. Hopefully someone with your back-country skills will finally venture into alpine out of valley trails and park maintained campsites too I am more than happy to give you suggestions
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Stu - I don't have crystal ball, but the way this is going backcountry camping in Banff / Jasper will be ok this summer. Baring unforeseen circumstances, 2nd covid wave, etc. Btw, think you are somewhere east, there is unreal amount of snow in Rockies, can't remember in my 25 yrs these kind of conditions 2nd half of May. Backcountry will be in shape later than usual anyways. So nothing will really be lost.


Camping ban was always for forecountry anyways; places like Wapiti or Whistler in Jasper where half of Edmonton flocks during long weekends.



So you can plan whatever you have in mind. Hopefully someone with your back-country skills will finally venture into alpine out of valley trails and park maintained campsites too I am more than happy to give you suggestions


Thanks! I'd love some ideas. I have been looking at White Goat and Siffleur but am open to anything less travelled and "wilder".
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Thanks! I'd love some ideas. I have been looking at White Goat and Siffleur but am open to anything less travelled and "wilder".

Well, I don't want to hijack this thread as it is about COVID, but here's White Goat trip I was looking into for myself. Approaching via Cataract / Cline passes, it would be a loop through "Valley of the Lakes" -- beautiful secluded area nobody goes into, dotted with lakes & quite out of this world. It would roughly transpire like this:

Day 1) Icefields Parking - Nigel Pass - Cataract Pass. Camp on the other side of Cataract Pass
Day 2) Cline Pass - cross "Col1" into Valley of the Lakes. Side Scramble up Mt. Willis (class 2, open ridgewalk), then drop and camp by one of Tarns in head of the valley

Day 3) Full day to explore Valley of the Lakes. Camp by "Cool Lake"

Day 4) Explore other side of Valley of the Lakes, then back over "Col2" and camp in Cline Pass vicinity
Day 5) Hike back to Highway


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[View from Cline Pass; Col 1 -- entry into Valley of the Lakes left, Col 2 -- exit from Valley of the Lakes right]

This is all wilderness camping so you don't need to book anything! It is also entirely in the alpine, except maybe initial couple of km. All you need is week of bomber weather sometime in August & no smoke. With bit more ambition, scramble up Mt. Stewart from Cataract Pass bivi is great extension, class 3 according to this:

If you want more discussion or ideas, spin separate thread & we can take discussion over there.

Cataract / Cline part is well known. lobo who will probably read this, can attest how beautiful it is. For that part this is probably best report around: https://mattclay.zenfolio.com/cataract_pass_cline_pass
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May 27, 2020:

Yesterday Parks Canada has announced visitor vehicle access to Banff National Park will officially resume on June 1st. This includes hiking parking lots, although they don't say if this applies to all trailheads. (Lake Louise area, Moraine Lake road in particular, is big question mark). Park Gate will be open for info, but they say pass sales will resume "when it is safe to do so". In other words it is still quite vague, but good news is that BNP is reopening! Camping is still closed till at least June 20 -- which is not a loss considering amount of snow.

More info here:
https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/pn-np/ab/ban.../covid-19-info
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Such good news.

We may be doing a trip out that way as a make-up for our cancelled journey in May. If so, I'd be much honoured to do a moderate day hike with you if you're game.

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Such good news.

We may be doing a trip out that way as a make-up for our cancelled journey in May. If so, I'd be much honoured to do a moderate day hike with you if you're game.

By all means! I'd very much enjoy meeting you. There is tons of snow, can't quite remember such conditions for end of May, but we'll figure out something. Just let me know when you are here
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By all means! I'd very much enjoy meeting you. There is tons of snow, can't quite remember such conditions for end of May, but we'll figure out something. Just let me know when you are here
excellent ... if we make the trip out your way I will definitely be in touch. Thanks for keeping us up to date on the Nat Parks as re-opening occurs

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Well, I don't want to hijack this thread as it is about COVID, but here's White Goat trip I was looking into for myself. Approaching via Cataract / Cline passes, it would be a loop through "Valley of the Lakes" -- beautiful secluded area nobody goes into, dotted with lakes & quite out of this world. It would roughly transpire like this:

Day 1) Icefields Parking - Nigel Pass - Cataract Pass. Camp on the other side of Cataract Pass
Day 2) Cline Pass - cross "Col1" into Valley of the Lakes. Side Scramble up Mt. Willis (class 2, open ridgewalk), then drop and camp by one of Tarns in head of the valley

Day 3) Full day to explore Valley of the Lakes. Camp by "Cool Lake"

Day 4) Explore other side of Valley of the Lakes, then back over "Col2" and camp in Cline Pass vicinity
Day 5) Hike back to Highway


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[GE overhead map of "Valley of the Lakes" loop; Days 2,3,4. Cline pass is extreme lower left. "Cool Lake" center, camp day 3]


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[View into Valley of the Lakes from Col 1. Drop into the valley is probably the crux of entire trip (boulders, etc)]


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[View from Cline Pass; Col 1 -- entry into Valley of the Lakes left, Col 2 -- exit from Valley of the Lakes right]

This is all wilderness camping so you don't need to book anything! It is also entirely in the alpine, except maybe initial couple of km. All you need is week of bomber weather sometime in August & no smoke. With bit more ambition, scramble up Mt. Stewart from Cataract Pass bivi is great extension, class 3 according to this:

If you want more discussion or ideas, spin separate thread & we can take discussion over there.

Cataract / Cline part is well known. lobo who will probably read this, can attest how beautiful it is. For that part this is probably best report around: https://mattclay.zenfolio.com/cataract_pass_cline_pass
this is AWESOME. thank you!!
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June 2: Two interesting updates

  • Lake Louise is officially open (with standard social distancing precautions), but Moraine Lake road is still closed, quoting "seasonal restrictions". So this would be GREAT time to go cycling Moraine Lake road; you can park the car legally, enjoy the ride and have Moraine Lake (still frozen) to yourself -- how often does that happen?

  • Bow Valley Parkway (1A) is still closed Castle Junction - South, meaning Johnston Canyon is STILL not car accessible. So it would be great time to cycle there and have Canyon to yourself -- BNP even officially recommends this on their page.

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June 3 '20


First look at Lake Louise after partial reopening of Canada National Parks:
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Parking lots are now accessible (incl. village) and there is big Social Distancing Table, seen on picture above, right at the shoreline.
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