No, based on your misunderstanding of my explanation.

I never said it was a good shock absorber.

So why are you picking out faults? Just deal with the fact any vehicle can have faults.

Go reread what I said.

OK. Let's see... I gained a ton of articulation, and I don't have and never had a death wobble for years. Where is the trade off? Let me tell you where it is: in your head.

It's not even a question of trade off to the Jeep community. It is simply one of the things that can go wrong and would need to be fixed, if it ever does. You're blahblahling like a complete, paranoid, uneducated lunatic. Please, just go buy an "every other model of Jeep" that your people have already ruined, or any other vehicle with an IFS. Leave the Wrangler alone, it was never meant to drive people like you to malls.

and that's the way the cookie crumbles...

I think someone's more interested in being right than being helpful.

Hey Arnold, just curious, you ever drive a vehicle that experience death wobble?

Did you fix it?

Or did you pay a shop/mechanic to fix it?

Just wondering why you are wound up about this known issue with 4x4s with solid axle front suspension?

For those that don't know what we are talking about (death wobble), check out this Ford truck video, jump to 1:10 to start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EuQ6f8rgT4

Jeep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwiv23dLhMY

Dodge truck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LaMXupbfdA

Forget all these crap vehicles. This is what I want!

I would have to agree that it always boils down to mileage of vehicle, lack of maintenance on worn suspension parts, bad tires, lift or leveling kits that are inferior and or poorly installed etc,




Brand new, none of the vehicles with this type of suspension have this problem, as far as I am aware of anyways. Suspension work is expensive and most avoid it until they have a major problem.


I drive a lot of cars/trucks at the shop, and the sheer number of newer vehicles with sloppy steering and clunking suspension is quite concerning.










If only some have death wobble, and the guy with the same unit down the street does not, then it must be a set up or maintenance issue.

Funny thing is all the G Wagons you see running around Metro Van look like this:



I would be worried about cracking a rim driving it up a FSR due to the low tire sidewall height.

i like

20 inch wheels and 35% sidewall is where its at! hehe.
That yellow one is quite modded, prolly close to 100K

No, based on your incorrect explanation.

The very reason that solid front axle vehicles can experience this issue, is precisely because the front axle DOESN'T act as a shock absorber (as it would on an IFS vehicle). If it did, then you wouldn't get the positive feedback loop that causes the problem.
Did I kick your dog or something? There seems to be this other strawman person you're having an argument with. No where have I said there is a vehicle without faults.

This whole discussion started with me pointing out the pros and CONS of several vehicles that were being discussed. The Forrester will be much better on gas, but have less capability off road. Xterra is a pig on gas. Jeep is most capable, but has poorer on-road manners. Which one is right is entirely up to what you plan to use the vehicle for.

Mr Pot, please meet Mr Black

The trade-off is poorer on road manners. If solid axles were completely superior in every way then every vehicle would still be using them rather than the small niche that currently does.

Show me where I have ever suggested that the Wrangler suspension be changed? Or that "if you buy a Jeep, you're gonna die". In fact I was firmly on the side of folks arguing against putting a IFS on the Wrangler. Again you seem to be having an argument with someone else. I even suggested that if the objective was a highly capable off road vehicle then the Jeep was the best option. Yet you're acting like I called your kid ugly.

2010+ are generally where you want to be. They fixed the SMOD issue in 2009 model year (only impacted automatic transmission models) and the engine relay issue in 2010 model year.

I mainly went for the 2014 as they introduced heated leather seats in the PRO-4X which is really nice on those early winter morning drives out to the mountains

it is not comfortable sitting inside when driving on highway

did it have horse cart wheels like the black one in picture? or factory set up?


vehicle these days seem to have this old world wheel trend now, all wheel, no tires, wonder how the death wobble on this one is??

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No, never. I work on my Jeep myself and don't trust anyone to tighten my nuts.

Because I'm allergic to bullshit and brainless zombies that go and spread it around.