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post #1 of (permalink) Old 04-24-2008, 01:41 PM Thread Starter
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Logging Roads to be Privatized and tolled!!!

The BC Liberal government has introduced Bill 30 RESOURCE ROAD ACT which under the guise of safety (being as they took away WCB's power to regulate logging road construction) and so they don't have to pay to keep them maintained (even though stumpage paid have more than paid for it in the past), will privatize every forest service road in the province through a new crown corporation. Industrial users, or those who win a contract to maintain the road, will be responsible for maintenance and will be able to collect tolls or sell permits for any other user, if they decide anyone else can use it.

This could and likely will curtail, restrict or outright block our ability to access the back country places we hold dear.

More info here: http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/003040.html

Express your outrage to Minister Coleman and Neufeld:
rich.coleman.mla@leg.bc.ca
richard.neufeld.mla@leg.bc.ca

The critic for Forest is Bob Simpson: bob.simpson.mla@leg.bc.ca
and you should let your MLA know your thoughts. Find their email here:
http://www.leg.bc.ca/mla/3-1-1.htm

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Hmm, this could be an interesting debate. Technically, the logging companies built the road, so they will argue that they are entitled to some recovery on usage (if other users besides loggers want to use "their" road).

But that's about the only thing going for them.

The backcountry doesn't belong to them. And, they're also making big money on tree cutting, so really, the roads seem like more of a "cost of doing business". After all, theirs is not a "road-building business", is it? Restricting our access, therefore, seems criminal.

I would actually suggest that the logging companies should be held responsible to keep active logging roads safe. And they should be held liable if they don't do so. That's their cost of "renting" our land![][}]
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Gee,talk about hysteria there fernwoodguy.

Calm down.

Read the Act yourself.

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quote:Section 11:

When compensation for use may be payable

11 A holder of a road authorization applicable to a resource road must not request or obtain money or any other benefit or compensation from any person using or wishing to use the resource road unless,

(a) in the case of a person using or wishing to use the resource road for a purpose that is not an industrial purpose, the regulations otherwise provide, or

(b) in the case of a person using or wishing to use the resource road for an industrial purpose,

(i) the money, benefit or compensation is sought in accordance with section 38 or 39, or

(ii) the regulations otherwise provide.
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http://www.leg.bc.ca/38th4th/1st_read/gov30-1.htm

That's a clear exemption for public recreational use, right in the Bill.

Speaking as a professional who is involved in building and deactivating these roads, the Bill is sorely needed. Right now there are conflicts between industrial users. Let me give you an example.

Forest Company A builds a logging road to do some logging.

Forest Company B and Mining Company C then use the road to access their own chart area/claim and rip the road up with heavy equipment but do no maintenance.

At the moment, Company A bears all the costs of construction and is responsible for all maintenance until deactivation. B and C get a free ride.

The purpose of this Bill is to ensure that costs and responsibilities for the road are shared equitably by different industrial users. We have needed a bill like this for years.
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I don't know about the rest of you but it makes me nervous when Dru is the voice of reason.[}]
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It seems you are right on first reading but there is one more thing that is included in the section you quoted that could alter your interpretation:

(ii) the regulations otherwise provide.

The regulations aren't out yet and this could allow for the tolling...I think a response from the public that this won't be tolerated may prevent a regulation being created that would allow it.

I agree with the rest of your points, however there is one more concern, that is the fact roads that aren't being used by industrial users will have to be deactivated...bridges pulled out etc...

The record of this government is one that allows private users to collect cash from the public any way they can...pay parking in parks, for example.
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quote:there is one more concern, that is the fact roads that aren't being used by industrial users will have to be deactivated...bridges pulled out etc...
You probably didn't know this but this requirement has been enshrined in regulation since 1995. Frankly I am glad since it provides me with work [}] and also since undeactivated roads lead to landslides as you can see looking across the valley in this shot to the undeactivated logging roads below Slesse.



One BIG benefit I see coming out of this new act is that it might be possible under certain conditions for groups like the FMCBC or The Land Conservancy to take over ownership of certain old logging roads that are important for mountain access and keep them maintained, thus keeping them open. And if you had to pay a toll to the FMCBC, say, of a couple of bucks to drive up to the back end of Ashlu, or Urquhart Creek, I'd probably even pay it.
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****, I should've read the act before commenting...[B)]
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Dru:

Where are you in that shot? I suppose I could puzzle it out (knowing that's Slesse), but I've haven't spent much time up in that area, so far easier to ask.

And is it accessible to someone who is merely a hiker and not a climber?
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quote:Originally posted by Backroader

Dru:

Where are you in that shot? I suppose I could puzzle it out (knowing that's Slesse), but I've haven't spent much time up in that area, so far easier to ask.

And is it accessible to someone who is merely a hiker and not a climber?
That's the regular hiking trail up Rexford. No technical climbing ability required.
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